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Toben "calls me Jewish" because I criticized his Own Goal aiding Lobby

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Newsletter published 22 November 2014

(1) Hyperborea, the "Aryan Homeland" in the Artic postulated by Rosenberg
(2) Hyperborean Arctic homeland and Aryan "root-race", of Vienna
Ariosophists
(3) Toben "calls me Jewish" because I criticized his Own Goal aiding Lobby
(4) Hitler's part-Jewish ancestry attested by his sister-in-law Bridget
Hitler
(5) DNA tests reveal Hitler was descended from Jews and North Africans
(6) Hitler playing chess with Lenin, Vienna 1909

(1) Hyperborea, the "Aryan Homeland" in the Artic postulated by Rosenberg

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 03:27:33 -0800
From: David Noone
Subject: Re: Nazis wrong about Aryan homeland; Reply from Toben on 18C

They never claimed aryans were nordic geographically but racially.
Racial type of tokarian mummies shows aryans were nordics.
Aryans were not asian in any sense.
hardly news aryan homeland in this region

Reply (Peter M):

Alfred Rosenberg believed that the Aryan homeland was in a place in the
Arctic called Hyperborea. Its capital was Thule. He wrote about it in
his book The Myth of the Twentieth Century.

The Aryans were white people but they lived in Asia - in the steppe.
That makes them Asian. Later they migrated to Europe and elsewhere.

(2) Hyperborean Arctic homeland and Aryan "root-race", of Vienna
Ariosophists

http://collections.stanford.edu/supere/page.action?forward=author_jean_sylvain_bailly&section=authors

Jean-Sylvain Bailly (1736-1793)

     by Dan Edelstein
     Assistant professor of French
     Stanford University

Jean-Sylvain Bailly was born in the Louvre and died less than a mile
away, under the guillotine. [...]

But there was another side to Bailly's interests, one which may seem
contradictory to his scientific studies. He was fascinated with the
world before recorded history, which he peopled with a marvelous and
ingenious race, the Atlanteans. His antiquarian pursuits were largely
inspired by Court de Gébelin's nine-volume Monde primitif, which claimed
to describe an ancient, prehistoric yet sophisticated world in
encyclopedic detail. [...]

But one person, an odd character named Helena Petrovna (a.k.a. "Madame")
Blavatsky, took his ideas very seriously. Blavatsky was a founder of
Theosophy, a mystical society whose credo was spelled out in her book
The Secret Doctrine (1888). In this hermetic work, Blavatsky revived
Bailly's theory (citing him twenty-two times), and incorporated his
Hyperborean Atlantis into an epic story of continents and "root-races."
The fate of her Atlantis was tied to that of a particularly
controversial race: the Aryans. As the Aryans migrated south to India, a
"sub-race" sprung off from them, the Semites. The myth of a Hyperborean
Atlantis thus made its entrance into the anti-Semitic, Aryanist
ideologies of the late nineteenth century.

This period also experienced something of an "Atlantis" craze, with
scholars and quacks penning books to prove that the lost continent had
once existed in Morocco, sub-Saharan Africa, South America, or other
locations. But the Bailly-Blavatsky theory found support among some of
the more fantastical Aryan ideologues in Vienna (as Nicolas
Goodrick-Clarke has detailed). It was from such circles that post-WWI
German nationalist groups, such as the "Thule" society (named after the
mythical capital of Hyperborea), derived many of their anti-Semitic and
Aryan theories. Members of the Thule society, in particular, were
instrumental in assisting Adolf Hitler (who had probably read some of
the Viennese Aryan theosophists when living in Austria) found the
N.S.D.A.P., or Nazi party. One of them, Alfred Rosenberg, a close
companion of Hitler's during his Munich years, placed the myth of a
Hyperborean Atlantis at the heart of his massive doctrinal tome, The
Myth of the Twentieth Century (1930). Rosenberg begins this work by
assuming the past existence of an Atlantis in the far North:

     All in all, the old legends of Atlantis may appear in new light. It
seems far from impossible that in areas over which the Atlantic waves
roll and giant icebergs float, a flourishing continent once rose above
the waters and upon it a creative race produced a far-reaching culture
and sent its children out into the world as seafarers and warriors. But
even if this Atlantis hypothesis should prove untenable, a prehistoric
Nordic cultural center must still be assumed.

The myth of a "Nordic cultural center" allowed Rosenberg to credit the
Aryan race with all the great cultural achievements in human history: at
different moments in time (coinciding with the greatest flourishes of
civilization), the Aryans descended from their Northern perch to work
their wonders in the Southern climes. The "evidence" of Aryan
superiority thus rested on this key geographical situation: only if
located in the Arctic Circle could the Aryans conceivably claim
responsibility for both Eastern and Western accomplishments.

There are considerable differences between Bailly's and Rosenberg's
interpretations of the Hyperborean Atlantis myth, and clearly Bailly
should not be considered as Nazi precursor. But he does not deserve to
be let off the hook completely, either. While he did not explicitly
racialize his theory, he did seek to appropriate Eastern cultural
advances for Europe. By making a Northern people responsible for the
glories of India, he ultimately honored Western accomplishments, all the
while praising the Brahmins. Enlightened Europe, in his story, was the
true successor of Atlantis. Bailly thus provided later nationalist and
racist movements with a powerful narrative that could authorize any
number of ideologies. Playing with myths is always a dangerous business.

Further Reading

Edelstein, Dan. "Hyperborean Atlantis: Jean-Sylvain Bailly, Madame
Blavatsky, and the Nazi Myth." Studies in Eighteenth-Century Culture 35
(2006): 267-91.

Godwin, Joscelyn. Arktos: The Polar Myth in Science, Symbolism, and Nazi
Survival. London: Thames and Hudson, 1993.

Goodrick-Clarke, Nicolas. The Occult Roots of Nazism: Secret Aryan Cults
and Their Influence on Nazi Ideology. New York: New York University
Press, 1985.

Smith, Edwin B. "Jean-Sylvain Bailly: Astronomer, Mystic, Revolutionary,
1736-1793." Transactions of the American Philosophical Society 44
(1954): 427-538.

(3) Toben "calls me Jewish" because I criticize Hitler

From: hopscotch Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 05:29:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Nazis wrong about Aryan homeland; Reply from Toben on 18C

Peter,

It's interesting that Mr. Toben has basically called you a Jew (or at
least Judaized). I've been reading you for years and enjoy your
stimulating messages. I've often thought that you give off a "Jewish"
vibe at times. When you write about leaving the Church you express no
sorrow about your loss of faith. This does not mean that you should feel
sorrow, in retrospect, for having lost your faith, but that if you had
faith and lost it you would have gone through a painful period of
processing your new reality. You talk about leaving the Church in a very
clinical manner, as if you never had faith to lose, and so didn't
experience any pain in having your worldview shattered.

You also have a kind of humorless (or at least not overtly humorous) and
robotic messianic quality to your personality that I've come to
associate with Jews.

I'm surprised you've only recently read about Otto Strasser. When I read
Nemesis I thought, "Strasser represents a middle path to being
anti-Hitler and anti-Nazi without having to fall into the hands of the
Jews." Most anti-Nazis are moral charlatans who are under the spell of
the Jews, so I thought Strasser offered an ideal path to understanding
Hitler. This may be the case. I'll have to study him more closely.

You wrote on your website (I read this years ago, so it may not be there
any more) that people wonder if you're Jewish because of your last name.
But I would detect a certain Jewishness in you even if you had a name
that is never associated with Jews.

It's possible that you have no connection to the Jews and that my
"Jew-dar" is off, but I thought I should point out that more than one
person has wondered this about you.

As I'm sure you know one doesn't have to be a Nazi to be anti-Jewish.
The Nazis failed to defeat the Jews. Perhaps the Church will experience
some regeneration in the coming decades and the Justinian Code as
applied to Jews can be reintroduced. The Church was a much more
effective enemy of the Jews.

Richard

Reply (Peter M.):

The old Nazi trick. Call all your opponents "Jews".

Doesn't take much intellect.

Toben used to feature my anti-Zionist writing on his website. I guess
that I only "became Jewish" once I started criticizing Hitler.

Toben himself hardly looks "Nordic". I look more so than he does.

Hitler went to some trouble to hide his own Jewish ancestry - see items
4 & 5 below.

(4) Hitler's part-Jewish ancestry attested by his sister-in-law Bridget
Hitler

From: "John H Taylor" <taylorj1@mweb.co.za>
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:44:35 +0200

For your comment.
I read your comments on Rausching and from what you appear to say he
wanted their enslavement and for them to be not allowed to have children
rather than actual immediate genocide

Rgds

John Taylor

Was adolf Hitler part Jewish

Hitler part Jewish… ridiculous.
As improbable as almost any idea.
The murderer of the six million. How can he be part jewish. Was ke
killing his own family…..and if that is even possible to believe then why!!!

But there has been a paper trail and accusations flooding around Hitler
from earliest days.
What is the basis of the stories and how did they originate.
What is any is the evidence or is it total nonsense.

The rumours of Hitlers jewish ancestry actually started at a very early age.

"Hitler’s Vienna” by Brigitte Hamann further relates that many small
papers in Germany in 1933 -- as Hitler came to power -- challenged
Hitler’s credentials to be an anti-Semite, since he himself was part
Jewish, the papers said. So even as he rode to power on immense funding
did rumours circulate as to this strange Jewish anti-Semite.

Next came the challenge from his home country of Austria.

An Austrian government investigation ordered by the Austian Catholic
Leader Dolfuss circa 1933 concluded that Hitler was the grandson of one
of the Rothschild bankers. Dolfuss was assassinated by the Nazis in
1935. (See “The Last of the Hitlers” by David Gardner) and shortly
thereafter when the anchluss (annexation ) of Austria, the Nazis went
around destroying Hitlers background information.

The dolfus document was never found but record and ouline of it were
kept in the SS and were later circulated
http://www.truthforever.com/Inside%20the%20Gestapo.htm

The next accusation of hitlers jewish ancestry came from within the
family itself. Paula Hitler, Hitler sister married an Irishman and
eventually went to live in America.
Gardner relates how Hitler’s nephew, William Patrick Hitler, was given
the equivalent of a quarter of a million dollars by Hitler after
threatening to go public with the family rumor that Hitler’s grandfather
was Jewish
http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/books/02/05/last.hitlers.cnna/

Bridget Hitler quotes Hitler's sister Paula: "Since [Adolf] started the
race laws we have no grandfather, Adolf and I. Certainly anyone who
wished could make a good deal out of that." (Memoirs, p. 175)  Hitlers
sister-in-law's wrote the book: "The Memoirs of Bridget Hitler"(1979)
The Hitlers of Liverpool," Mike Unger  The book also comments that His
grandmother received child support from a Jewish businessman who was
probably an intermediary for his grandfather.

The last accusation was made by hans Frank. Hans Frank was one of
hitlers leading administrators and was given the job of finding/
covering up any background to hitlers ancestry.

Frank related how he was sent to Hitler’s birthplace, Braunau on the
Inn, to find out for the Fuhrer himself what investigators could find
out. Hitler sent his troops to bulldoze all the graveyards in that area,
and seize any relevant birth records in 1938 when he marched into
Austria. As one observer said, “When we find someone under suspicion
destroying evidence, we usually call him: guilty!” Frank wrote a final
testament, “In the Face of the Gallows” in which he related that Hitler
was part Jewish,

The latest support for Hitlers jewish ancestry  has come from genetic
analysis.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/dna-tests-reveal-hitler-s-jewish-and-african-roots-1.309938

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305414/Hitler-descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html

Gemnetic analysis shows that the Hitler family had jewish roots. That is
now confirmed. What genetic analysis can not show was whether it was in
recent or distant past that the ancestry originated.

There are othe strange connections between Hitler and the jewish elite.
These are strange and suggestive that something was going on.

Firstly there is the strange linkage between Hitler and the Ludwig
Wittgenstein Ludwig Wittgenstein was one of the foremost philosophers of
the 20th century, and shared many common interests with Hitler
(including a possible homosexual bent  Lothar Machtan's "The Hidden
Hitler"(2001),)
They were in the same school together at Linz

http://manofroma.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/in-absolute-asymmetry-i-want-to-find-symmetry/the-chandos-portrait-believed-to-depict-william-shakespeare-public-domain/

Yet this is a dog that doesn’t bark. Hitler in no discussion or writing
mentions his connection with Ludwig Wittegenstein.

Talking of writing the book mein Kampf was written on a typewriter that
belonged to the Rothschild’s businesses.

Hitler also obtained his Iron cross  by recommendation of his Jewish
Sergeant major
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303804/Adolf-Hitler-loner-rear-area-pig-according-WWI-regiment.html

Hitler also was employed as spy immediately after the war. that is how
he joined both the communist party and the nazi party. At the time the
German secret service was strongly influenced by on of the warburgs
relative to the banking family.

Later one of the backers of Hitler on his rise to power were the Zionists.

The Secret Contacts: Zionism and Nazi Germany, 1933 to 1941” by Klaus
Polkehn, 1976, Institute for Palestine Studies.)
IBM and the Holocaust” Edwin Black
“The Prisoner of Ottawa” by Douglas Reed, 1953;
“Red Symphony” a transcribed interrogation Christian Rakovsky, 1938;
“Who Financed Hitler” by James Poole; and
“Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler” by Anthony Sutton
“The Transfer Agreement” by Edwin Black,
“Zionism in the Age of the Dictators” by Lenni Brenner
“Perfidy”, 1961, by Hollywood screen writer and Irgun supporter, Ben Hecht,

Brüning a previous German government minister wrote-
"I did not and do not even today, for understandable reasons, wish to
reveal that from October 1928 the two largest regular contributors to
the Nazi Party were the general managers of two of the largest Berlin
banks, both of Jewish faith, and one of them the leader of Zionism in
Germany."
Brüning [wrote that he] also knew that French sources, including the
Schneider-Creusot works and both French intelligence services, had paid
one half of Hitler's revenue from 1921 until 1932; that the SA and SS
had before 1933 been equipped largely with revolvers and machine guns
made in the United States.
(Source: Letter from Heinrich Brüning to Daniel Longwell, February
7,1948; Longwell collection, Butler Library, Columbia University, New
York City)

What does this mean

It means that history is more complex than we think. That politics make
strange bedfellows.

Support  by the Zionists for Hitler presumably went horribly wrong.
Thinking that they could control him and wanted a degree of
anti-Semitism to encourage Jews to go to Israel, they assisted hitler to
achieve that end .
But He was not controllable and history happened.

(5) DNA tests reveal Hitler was descended from Jews and North Africans

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305414/Hitler-descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html

DNA tests reveal 'Hitler was descended from the Jews and Africans he hated'

By ALLAN HALL FOR MAILONLINE

UPDATED: 19:53 AEST, 24 August 2010

Adolf Hitler is likely to have been descended from both Jews and
Africans, according to DNA tests.

Samples taken from relatives of the Nazi leader show that he is
biologically linked to the 'sub-human' races he sought to exterminate.

Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to
track down 39 of the Fuhrer's relatives earlier this year.

They included an Austrian farmer revealed only as a cousin called
Norbert H.

A Belgian news magazine has reported that samples of saliva taken from
these people strongly suggest Hitler had antecedents he certainly would
not have cared for.

A chromosome called Haplopgroup E1b1b (Y-DNA) in their samples is rare
in Germany and indeed Western Europe.

'It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya
and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews,' Mr Vermeeren
said.

'One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he
despised,' adds Mr Mulders in the magazine, Knack.

Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of
Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes,
appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population.

'This is a surprising result,' said Ronny Decorte, a genetic specialist
who agreed that Hitler probably did have some roots in North Africa.

'It is difficult to predict, what happens with this information, both to
opponents and supporters of Hitler,' he added.

The magazine says the DNA was tested under stringent laboratory
conditions to obtain the results.

It is not the first time that historians have suggested Hitler had
Jewish ancestry.

His father, Alois, is thought to have been the illegitimate offspring of
a maid called Maria Schickelgruber and a 19-year-old Jewish man called
Frankenberger.

This would have made the man who inspired the Holocaust one-quarter Jewish.

Reports have suggested that Hitler's nephew, Patrick, tried to blackmail
his uncle over the issue of Alois Hitler's parentage. Hitler asked his
lawyer, Hans Frank, to investigate the claims and he announced just
before the outbreak of the Second World War that they were 'without any
foundation'.

'Hitler would not have been pleased about this,' added Mr Decorte, of
the Catholic University of Leuven.

'The affair is fascinating if one compares it with the conception of the
world of the Nazis, in which race and blood was central.

'Hitler's concern over his descent was not unjustified. He was
apparently not "pure" or "Ayran".'

DNA was also taken from American Alexander Stuart-Houston, 61, a
grand-nephew of Hitler.

He was trailed for seven days before he dropped a used serviette which
Mulders said led him to the cousin in Austria  -  and the link with
Hitler's sworn enemies.

(6) Hitler playing chess with Lenin, Vienna 1909

  Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:27:27 -0800
Subject: Re: Frederick Toben helps Jewish Lobby to block changes to 18C
Hate Speech Law
From: blissentia <blissentia@gmail.com>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/6130672/Pictured-Hitler-playing-chess-with-Lenin.html

Pictured: Hitler playing chess with Lenin

A picture of a young Adolf Hitler apparently playing chess against
Vladimir Lenin 100 years ago has come to light.

An extraordinary etching of a young Adolf Hilter playing chess against
Vladimir Lenin has come to light. The art work is by Hilter's Jewish art
teacher Emma Lowenstramm who witnessed the game  Photo: BNPS

9:56AM BST 03 Sep 2009

The image is said to have been created in Vienna by Hitler's art
teacher, Emma Lowenstramm, and is signed on the reverse by the two
dictators.

Hitler was a jobbing artist in the city in 1909 and Lenin was in exile
and the house where they allegedly played the game belonged to a
prominent Jewish family.

In the run-up to the Second World War the Jewish family fled and gave
many of their possessions, including the etching and chess set, to their
housekeeper.

Now their housekeeper's great-great grandson is selling the image and
the chess set at auction. Both items have a pre-sale estimate of £40,000.

The unnamed vendor is confident the items are genuine after his father
spent a lifetime attempting to prove their authenticity.

He compiled a 300-page forensic document that included tests on the
paper, the signatures and research on those involved.

Experts, however, have questioned its authenticity especially the
identification of Lenin who they say might have been confused with one
of his associates.

When the etching was made, Hitler was 20 and Lenin was twice his age and
the house was where politicos went to discuss things.

The etching is thought to be one of five and shows Hitler - playing with
the white pieces - sitting by a window, with Lenin opposite him in half
shadow.

It is titled "A Chess Game: Lenin with Hitler - Vienna 1909".

It raises tantalising questions about what the two men who helped shape
the world in the 20th century might have spoken of.

Lenin was already a highly influential Russian figure who in 1907 went
into exile once more after the revolution was crushed by Tsarist
authorities.

Richard Westwood-Brookes, who is selling the items, said: "This just
sounds too good to be true, but the vendor's father spent a lifetime
proving it.

"He compiled a 300 page document and spent a great deal of money
engaging experts to examine the etching.

"The signatures in pencil on the reverse are said to have an 80 per cent
chance of being genuine, and there is proof that Emma Lowenstramm did
exist.

"The circumstantial evidence is very good on top of the paper having
been tested.

"Hitler was a painter in 1909 and his Jewish teacher Emma Lowenstramm
was the person who made the etching.

"There is some suggestion that when he came to power Hitler protected
her and she died from natural causes in 1941.

"At the time, Vienna was a hotbed of political intrigue and the house
where this game took place belonged to a prominent Jewish family.

"Lenin at the time was moving around Europe in exile and writing
"Materialism and Empirio-criticism".

"His movements are hazy and it is known that he did play chess and later
he certainly wore wigs as a disguise.

"It is also known that Lenin was a German agent and the house was where
people went to exchange political views.

"The chess set is clearly the same chess set as that in the etching. It
is a box chess set that folds out and the pieces are identifiable -
particularly the kings and bishops.

"To my knowledge there are five etchings of this image, but this has the
signatures of both men and the artist.

"The provenance is that it has come through the family of the
housekeeper who was given it when the Jewish family fled in the late 1930s.

"The family is based in Hanover and it is the great great grandson of
the housekeeper who is selling it.

"On all sorts of levels it is an extremely valuable artefact. Even as
just an allegorical picture it shows the men playing chess possibly for
the world."

Historian Helen Rappaport, who has just written a book called
"Conspirator: Lenin in Exile", said the etching was probably a "glorious
piece of fantasy".

She said: "In 1909 Lenin was in France and there is no evidence that he
was in Vienna.

"In October he went to Liege in Belgium and in November he went to
Brussels. He would have visited Vienna before and after that year.

"He liked the place and went there because he travelled around Europe on
trains, but he wouldn't have been there long enough to meet a young Hitler.

"He was also as bald as a bat by 1894 with just hair on the sides of his
head.

"And when in exile he was not known as Lenin and instead used a number
of aliases.

"The person believed to be Lenin in the etching may well have been one
of his revolutionary or Bolshevik associates who was misidentified.

"It may even have been an Austrian socialist with whom he associated in
the Second International.

"The Germans did fund the Bolsheviks and gave them millions of marks for
the revolutionary effort, but Lenin was not a German sympathiser.

"Although this is totally spurious it is wonderful to bring these two
great megalomaniacs together.

"It makes sense retrospectively and the history of art is full of
retrospective meetings between people."

The items are to be sold at Mullock's auction house in Ludlow,
Shropshire, on October 1.